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hey everyone welcome to geofab

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livestream uh today's guest is going to

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be ray hernandez and he will be talking

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about his upcoming book uh the greater

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reality but more importantly race going

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to be um

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a speaker at the ozark mountain ufo

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conference coming up in april from april

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8th to 10th so as of today we are

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literally two weeks out

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it would the official beginning of the

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conference would be two weeks from now

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on friday and i'm certainly hoping that

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some of you if not most of you can make

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on the link below in the description you

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will find the registration link and you

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can still buy your streaming tickets or

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your tickets in person and

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we have quite a lot of people are

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excited that we're back in person and

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it's uh back up and open again so if you

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would like to

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um mingle and socialize again and get to

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see and meet some of these speakers in

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person this will be your chance um also

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in the description below i have uh some

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links for ray uh

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specifically uh amazon link to his book

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uh beyond ufos the

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later on i'll ask him when i have him on

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when exactly the uh the greater reality

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a book is going to be coming out and

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then some upcoming links that are not

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active yet but will be i believe

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starting april 1st so uh ray as always

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has a lot of great information to tell

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and many things to talk about so i will

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do my best to have him on as soon as

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possible here just want to cover some uh

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quick things here so we will do some q a

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with ray if you would like to ask him

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some questions uh those who are watching

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or twitch or youtube you can simply in

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the comment section uh submit a question

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um uh make sure to put three asterisks

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asterixes before your question so that

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way it pops out at me and i know it's

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not just a chat uh going on between

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amongst yourselves there and uh but if

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you would like to specifically talk to

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or directly talk to ray you can join the

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telegram group that's going on live

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right now and they're listening to voice

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only and so when the time comes you can

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simply raise your hand and

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i'll add you to my queue and we'll give

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you a chance to talk to uh to talk to

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ray but um yeah the the link for this

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for the telegram group group is in

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description below as well for telegram

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um as always everything is in the

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all right everything seems to be running

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great so let me

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bring in

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uh welcome ray thanks for being on how

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are you

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thank you i really appreciate

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the opportunity to chat with you

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all right well i'm glad you're back and

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um ray is not necessarily going to go

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over a presentation this time the whole

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point is for you to come to the

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conference and check it out i'm sure

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it's going to be very exciting and

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the new information that they have found

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and um so ray can you

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please give me just a little bit of

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background how that came about and what

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other people are involved because you're

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not the only one

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involved in writing this book correct

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that's correct we have five co-editors

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which are myself

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uh dr rudy shields who is an emeritus

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uh at the harvard smithsonian center for

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astrophysics

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we have dr michael grosso who taught

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philosophy for over 45 years

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he himself is a an experiencer and

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he's written approximately 10 books all

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in the area of the paranormal

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academic books and then we have dr john

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clemo also an experiencer and he taught

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again for over 45 years

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and he's written several books on the

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paranormal and consciousness

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and um

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and his book titled channeling was

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translated to over 18 languages

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last but not least is dr jeffrey long

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recently retired and he's one of the

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world's leading researchers on

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knowledge he's the

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has the largest database of both nde

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experiencers and out-of-body

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experiencers

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and he's written several books based

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upon the data i believe now he's up to

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13 000 people that have taken his

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surveys he has multiple survey questions

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and so uh the five of us are the

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and then our book is titled a greater

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reality

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the new paradigm of non-local

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the paranormal

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and we're going to have four volumes

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the first two volumes are theoretical in

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nature primarily written by

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numerous phd academics and medical

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doctors and then the last two volumes

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are written by experiencers

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almost all of them are individuals that

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experiences via three or four or more

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types of contact modalities

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so not just someone that has seen a ufo

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experience someone that's only had a

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near-death experience no and someone

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that's had a near-death experience

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they've also had various out-of-body

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experiences they've also seen various

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ufos they've also seen deceased people

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and many of these people are highly

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trained professionals uh like medical

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doctors academic professors so that's

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so ray what i specifically love about

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the when you were doing the beyond ufos

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how you had the different breakdowns of

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all the data collected will you have

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something similar again in in the

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greater reality

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of that book is to introduce

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this new paradigm this new way of

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which is quite complex

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and then later on uh we're going to be

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research study similar to the one that

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quantitative and qualitative

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surveys to administer to individuals all

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over the world in multiple languages but

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our concepts that are not easily

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so ray is there um

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is something you can then share with us

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about the book without revealing too

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the book uh the first half of it the

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so um two thick books and it's all going

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to be discussing uh two basic issues one

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is uh an illusion

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true nature of our reality

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there's something much much more complex

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not referring it from a religious

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and and that is that our reality is not

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what we think it is but it's much much

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more greater much more expensive

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more recently individuals are discussing

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a virtual reality model but this is a

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virtual reality model based upon

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the spirituality that we are eternal

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what is consciousness and we're going to

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one particular article is going to have

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uh two of the co-editors

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grayson who is was the leading academic

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on near-death experiences and he's

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affiliated with the university of

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virginia division of perceptual studies

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then we have dr jim tucker

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both of these individuals have been on

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the faculty at the medical school at the

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university of virginia for over 25 years

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larry dossey who's a major

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publisher on the topic of consciousness

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and he's also a medical doctor and

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non-local consciousness

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and and that area is focused on dr uh

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the late dr edgar mitchell's

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quantum hologram theory of consciousness

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which is uh extremely complex

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we are publishing his uh magnum opus

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article which has never been published

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before except for

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in an astrophysics journal in the

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journal of

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of cosmology

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whose director is dr rudy shields

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and um

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the article is is is difficult to read

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and has physics language in it but it's

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not meant for a physicist it's meant for

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the average

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uh reader and that goes into how our

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mind not our brain but how the human

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bind is able to tap into

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information fields in of our reality and

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is able to retrieve information like esp

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precognition

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um

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events

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and then we have a uh

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dr glenn ryan who's a professor

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of um

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received the phd at the university of

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london in biochemistry and what he did

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is he took edgar mitchell's article and

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he extended it to the the contact

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modalities and to contact with non-human

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intelligence

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and uh a very important article as well

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and um

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so we have three or four articles

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that talk about edgar mitchell's very

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important theory of consciousness and

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the quantum hologram

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another way of thinking of a quantum

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hologram is that we are living inside a

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virtual reality and it's how we as human

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beings are interacting within this

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virtual reality

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and then we have articles on the

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different contact modalities we have

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roughly 11 articles

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on on

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the topic of uaps and ufos and all of

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these articles are

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alternatives to the materialist nuts and

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bolts approach to ufology

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and i won't go into all of those details

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but basically after you finish reading

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that

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you're going to be blown away and you

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never thought of ufology from this

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radical approach

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then we have a whole section on

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near-death experiences a whole section

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on um

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out-of-body experiences remote viewing

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clairvoyance and astral traveling

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again each of these subjects have uh

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that particular area has more than five

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articles we have articles on um on the

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topic of uh ghosts um

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um

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and uh uh

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those areas of of the deceased

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and then numerous other uh

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areas of the contact modalities

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and then we have another category about

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future research of the organization

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and then we have about six articles that

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are like

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conclusion uh type of articles

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um that wrap up all of these topics uh

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together

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and

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so that's going to be two volumes it's

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going to be close to 1200 pages and it

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will provide you with a theoretical

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foundation

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to begin to understand the

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the complex nature of our true reality

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which is a

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reality based upon consciousness

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and then volumes three and four are

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articles written

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by major contact experiencers

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we're going to have close to 80 articles

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um

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and there they're describing their

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experiences

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and i could describe one uh as an

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illustration

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yeah one is uh her name is dr melinda

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greer she was very very apprehensive

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about

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i actually met her physically for the

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first time

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at the arkansas ufo conference

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together with another lady another major

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experiencer i consider these two ladies

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as two of the top three major

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experiencers i've ever met

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and both of them i met at your

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conference

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let me talk about dr melinda greer dr

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melinda greer now is recently retired

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and now

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she's out in the open um we also

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interviewed her for our documentary

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which i could talk about later on

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uh so basically here you have a woman

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that works in a hospital

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saving the lives of children she's a

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pediatric emergency room uh

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medical doctor

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and um

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this woman has seen 12 ufos

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most of them very very large very very

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up close

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i think five different times she saw

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these huge triangle crafts

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many of them were from horizon to

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horizon

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that uh blanketed all the skies

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um the times that she did see them at

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night they blocked out all the stars in

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the sky twice she saw this with her

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husband

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um

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so and there were many different types

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of these uaps that she saw it wasn't

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just a triangle those are just uh um uh

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the most common one that that she

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described to me but there were many

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other different types

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uh she's also has had two near-death

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experiences the first one when she was a

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child and the second one when she was um

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uh already a medical doctor

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um and so uh the second nde was

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unbelievably profound

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and i'll just give you a little snippet

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of it and uh in that near-death

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experience she described how

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um

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who she was the spirit the essence the

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information of dr melinda greer that was

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accumulated through her entire lifetime

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how that information was uploaded to

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like a central database like a central

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computer

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and again it reflects back to the

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hypothesis of us living in a

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in a a virtual reality inside the mind

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of god and how we return back to the

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mind of god when we die and she

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describes it in in detail that whole

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process

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and again if you can see my my

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background here it's binary codes zeros

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and ones and that reflects the fact that

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we are living in a reality based upon

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information

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so

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um

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her near-death experience she described

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what happened to her she described being

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in this other reality uh very very

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detailed and then she describes um of

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her going back to her body she was like

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about a foot on top of her body seeing

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her her dead body underneath her and she

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was just looking at it you know for like

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over a minute and um and then all all of

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a sudden she just

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went back into her body and she

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described that whole experience

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and she also described how the

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experience started where she first

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floated out of her body so it's very

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very detailed she's had two of those she

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also discussed about her outer body

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experiences

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uh she also discussed when she was young

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she used to have many astral travel

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experiences that were actually teaching

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lessons

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and let me just

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describe

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a couple of them for you uh one was that

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she was a a little girl and she asked

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her mother she saw on the news of this

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man that robbed the bank and in the

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process of robbing a bank uh that he

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killed two people in the bank

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so she asked her mother i said mom how

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could you know this man just kill two

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innocent people how could this possibly

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be

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and so her mother gave her an

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explanation but she wasn't satisfied

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with that explanation so that evening

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when she was asleep

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all of a sudden her ethereal body her

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consciousness appeared

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in the getaway car of that man that had

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robbed the bank so he was there

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physically right in front of her okay

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and then all of a sudden she began to

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read his mind

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okay

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and uh and that's very very common in a

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near-death experience and also in

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out-of-body experiences where you're

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actually reading the mind of someone

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else and someone else is able to read

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your mind and also all communication is

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telepathic so she began to read this

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man's mind and she discovered was that

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this man

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uh was saying i'm never going to back to

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that jail i'm never going back to that

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jail he had been raped violated abused

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and it was a horrific experience and so

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when the security guard pulled out a gun

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okay he he had to kill him because he

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said he's never going to go back and be

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violated again in that jail it was

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horrible experience for him

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and then and other information about

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this man's life you know uh

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came to her because she was like a

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spirit in the in the passenger side uh

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of this man in the getaway car so after

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that you know when she woke up she now

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had her answer

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of why did this man kill

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these two innocent people and it was

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because he didn't want to go did not

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want to go back to that jail because he

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had such an abusive experience in that

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jail a horrific experience

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and so then there was another experience

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um

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that she described

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which when we interviewed her in our

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documentary was that when she was a girl

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she mentioned that there was uh in

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second grade it was there was the two

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two boys that liked to play with girls

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they didn't want to play with the other

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boys they liked to play with dolls

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they were very um

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feminine in their uh outlook so they

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acted more like girls than boys so she

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went to her mother and she asked her

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mother mom i've got these two boys in my

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class but they're like girls they want

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to play with dolls they rather play with

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us

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and

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wasn't satisfied with it so then she

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described um

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[Music]

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her when she was sleeping that night how

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all of a sudden she was in a metropolis

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a huge city which she had never been in

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a huge city before and she described

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entering an office the office had all

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this modern furniture which she had

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never seen before and then there was a

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man behind this elegant modern desk

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um very very handsome dressed in a fancy

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suit and he told her melinda please sit

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down so she sat down and she described

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as her legs as hanging because she was

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still very small

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and then he asked her a question he said

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melinda how do you love your mother how

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much do you love your mother and so she

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00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,440
said oh my god my mother oh

576
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,120
i cannot describe how much i love my

577
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,280
mother and then went on to tell this man

578
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,440
how much she loved her mother and so

579
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:22,080
this man said well melinda the way you

580
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,440
love your mother

581
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,440
i love another man

582
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,000
okay and then began to tell her that

583
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:30,640
love is eternal it's throughout the

584
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:33,440
whole universe and it doesn't matter

585
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,480
whether

586
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,360
uh you know what type of relationship is

587
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,080
because love is universal throughout our

588
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,000
reality and i just happen to love

589
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,720
another man you know and so you know he

590
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,200
began to tell her all these details so

591
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:49,679
when she woke up the next day she had

592
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:52,640
the answers you know how

593
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,240
why these boys are acting that way okay

594
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,960
and then um she uh she said that these

595
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,720
experiences were from the age of three

596
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,799
years old all the way to like the age of

597
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,600
11 or 12 years old so these were you

598
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,080
know almost nightly type of teaching

599
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,520
experiences

600
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,360
another thing about dr melinda grier is

601
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,039
that she's had three sash wash

602
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:15,440
experiences two of them were very up

603
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:19,279
close okay so in our book she describes

604
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,039
uh uh some of those stories uh and truly

605
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,240
unbelievable okay and then um

606
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,400
after her second near-death experience

607
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,960
she began to see the siege people in her

608
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,120
hospital people that were like going

609
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,279
through walls there was one man that she

610
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,279
called out to him she said you know oh

611
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,120
you know what are you doing here and she

612
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,039
described the man as very pale very very

613
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,039
sickly all of a sudden the man looked at

614
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:45,600
her and he like ran right through the

615
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,240
elevator doors that were closed okay and

616
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,080
she had numerous experiences like that

617
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:51,840
and some of them were witnessed by other

618
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:54,720
people as well in the hospital so

619
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,000
he here is a a medical doctor who's

620
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:00,960
saving the lives of children at a major

621
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,919
medical hospital but yet she's having

622
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,159
so many diverse experiences via the

623
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:07,840
contact modalities

624
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:10,400
so that's just an illustration of the

625
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,760
over 70 people that we have in our book

626
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,000
these individuals that have had

627
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,840
everything in the kitchen sink

628
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,080
and that is just an example from an

629
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,480
experiencer perspective of what we are

630
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:24,240
describing from a theoretical

631
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,840
perspective that all of these

632
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:28,799
experiences okay

633
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,919
uh need to be studied as one integrated

634
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,919
phenomenon okay

635
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,120
right now

636
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:37,440
uh they're being seen as separate and

637
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,640
distinct

638
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:39,760
for example

639
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,799
in ufology okay these major researchers

640
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,120
that go to all these major conferences

641
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,640
okay

642
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,720
you would ask them well

643
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,320
do you think that there's a relationship

644
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,559
between out-of-body experiences

645
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,480
and ufos

646
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,039
okay the overwhelming majority would say

647
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,880
of course not

648
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,240
do you think there's a relationship

649
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,640
between near-death experiences

650
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,840
and ufology and ufos again

651
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,679
the vast majority will say absolutely

652
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,559
not

653
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:10,080
okay

654
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,520
et cetera et cetera you repeat the

655
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:13,039
different

656
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,799
paranormal contact modalities they would

657
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,559
say the same answer

658
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,320
i went to a conference this is about

659
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:21,279
five years ago at um

660
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,960
um on near-death experiences it was

661
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:26,799
the international association for

662
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:29,440
near-death studies which is the major

663
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,120
nde uh research organization uh in the

664
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:35,440
world they had their annual conference

665
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,840
in um in orlando so i was introduced by

666
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,919
two friends of mine that were

667
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,000
individuals that had many different

668
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,080
types of experiences they've seen ufos

669
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,159
they've seen ghosts and spirits they've

670
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,159
seen uh they've had near-death

671
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,640
experiences and so one was lecturing at

672
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,880
the event and the other one was going to

673
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,200
the event and we met up there and so

674
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,039
they introduced me to

675
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,360
the leaders of that organization the

676
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,200
president the vice president and some of

677
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,640
the other

678
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,880
individuals that ran that organization

679
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,320
so i

680
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,320
asked them the same question do you

681
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,120
think that ufology is related to

682
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,880
near-death experiences why what are you

683
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,799
talking about of course not well do you

684
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,559
think that out-of-body experiences

685
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,000
people that go out of their body all the

686
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,480
time do you think that's related to

687
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:24,240
near-death experiences

688
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,520
no no

689
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,320
while obese is part of the early stage

690
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,640
of an nde phenomenon the actual two

691
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,799
phenomena are totally separate

692
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,080
well how about people see ghosts and

693
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,600
spirits

694
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,520
of course not no no

695
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,520
well what i found out later on that was

696
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:41,840
that one of the previous presidents

697
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,360
okay uh her name is yvonne cason

698
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,320
uh she at one time was the president of

699
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:49,919
that organization

700
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,480
she's had five near-death experiences

701
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,399
well and she's a medical doctor retired

702
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:56,240
medical doctor well guess what yvonne

703
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:57,440
has had

704
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:59,120
everything in the kitchen sink as well

705
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,240
she's seen ufos she's had numerous

706
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,240
out-of-body experiences she's seen

707
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,399
deceased people and she's written

708
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,000
several books that have talked about

709
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:10,320
that okay so that's why she left that

710
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,919
organization because they were so

711
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:14,559
closed-minded they just wanted to focus

712
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:18,399
just on on ufos okay when i went uh for

713
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:21,840
my documentary and i interviewed uh dr

714
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,200
um raymond moody we also interviewed dr

715
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:27,200
jeffrey long

716
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:28,840
and um

717
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:32,159
previously i was warned by dr kenneth

718
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,200
ring

719
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,200
who is a retired professor of psychology

720
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,600
at the university of connecticut

721
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,080
he had written a book back in 1986

722
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,520
titled the omega project

723
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:45,200
that book is one of the very few

724
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,399
statistical academic research studies

725
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,640
uh that focuses on ufo contact

726
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,720
experiences well what he did in that

727
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:55,360
book is he

728
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:58,960
applied the same survey to 85 people

729
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:01,840
that had near-death experiences and also

730
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,960
85 people that had

731
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,360
what is commonly called an abduction

732
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,679
experience

733
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,720
and what

734
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,880
he determined was that these individuals

735
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,360
are having the same phenomena they're

736
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,760
having the same experience

737
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,799
okay

738
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,039
uh one of the areas that we focused uh

739
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,679
close to 70 of his questions on was how

740
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,840
did these people change how were they

741
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,159
before and how are they now

742
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,880
well what he determined was that uh the

743
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,120
overwhelming majority of these people no

744
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,039
longer fear death this is from both

745
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,360
groups the abductees and the indie

746
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,760
experiences uh people much more

747
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:41,120
spiritual

748
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:42,240
okay

749
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,679
people that were atheists all of a

750
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,919
sudden are spiritual people that were

751
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,600
materialistic

752
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,000
oriented i need to get a new mercedes

753
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,559
benz every year all of a sudden that old

754
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:54,960
honda accord is fine okay

755
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,279
uh people that didn't care about

756
00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:59,840
environmental issues all of a sudden are

757
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,399
major tree huggers okay the environment

758
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,240
is extremely important

759
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,159
people that were nasty to each other

760
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,320
treated each other horribly all of a

761
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,559
sudden they become much more loving

762
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,600
to each other okay uh people that were

763
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,840
not consciously aware

764
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,520
of of of um

765
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,360
of their role in the nature of their

766
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,200
reality all of a sudden

767
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,320
are now much more consciously aware okay

768
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,559
and there were 70

769
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,480
questions of how these people changed

770
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,120
and transformed and what he was able to

771
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:33,279
demonstrate statistically was that these

772
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,200
people changed in exactly the same way

773
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,600
so we borrowed those 70 questions and we

774
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,440
applied it to

775
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,039
the research study of the dr edgar

776
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,799
mitchell free foundation

777
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:47,279
but now it wasn't 85 people in two

778
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,039
groups now we had 4 300 people

779
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:53,840
and what we discovered was that

780
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:57,840
these 4 300 people okay again depending

781
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,960
on the question asked was between 75 to

782
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,720
90 of these people

783
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,399
totally were transformed

784
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:06,240
for the positive

785
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:07,039
okay

786
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,480
originally

787
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,000
they had viewed their experiences as

788
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,000
negative but now they were totally

789
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,919
transformed okay

790
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,360
so

791
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:16,799
that's what you're going to be getting

792
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,519
in our

793
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,600
in the experiencer sections you're going

794
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,120
to be getting over

795
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:25,760
70 individuals experiencers that talk

796
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,720
about their experiences dr melinda greer

797
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,200
initially she was scared as hell by her

798
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:32,960
experiences okay

799
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,320
whitley schreiber a very famous ufo uh

800
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,480
contactee uh years ago he called

801
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,240
themselves an abductee

802
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:42,240
horrified these abductions were horrible

803
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,039
right

804
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,880
now he has a totally different viewpoint

805
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:47,200
of abductions you know maybe it wasn't

806
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,480
an abduction maybe it's a little bit

807
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,600
more complicated okay and now he prays

808
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,840
to god he says

809
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:55,760
to this intelligence he prays to this

810
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,200
intelligence for giving him spirituality

811
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,440
for giving him insights

812
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,840
kathleen martin another another major

813
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,039
researcher

814
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,080
in the field of ufology she had worked

815
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,399
primarily with abductees

816
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:12,480
for uh the first 25 years of her

817
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:13,840
research

818
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,720
now she just recently published a book

819
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:18,880
about her spirituality

820
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,000
how she first started with with viewing

821
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,720
it as a physicalist

822
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:26,720
abduction phenomenon

823
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,080
and now this woman sees it all under

824
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,399
consciousness and spirituality

825
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:34,320
same thing with ripley strieber well

826
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,440
guess what

827
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:36,880
we had 4

828
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,240
300 people that took our surveys the

829
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,360
overwhelming majority of these people of

830
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:43,519
you would now view it exactly the same

831
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,240
way okay not in the very beginning the

832
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:48,000
very beginning 37 percent of these

833
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,880
people

834
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,120
viewed this as highly negative

835
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,960
the contact phenomenon

836
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,559
but now

837
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,159
almost all these people just like

838
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:58,159
kathleen martin and whitley schreiber

839
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,279
are now

840
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,679
uh mr and mrs love and light

841
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:04,080
totally different radical approach

842
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,519
so that's what our book is going to be

843
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,840
about it's going to be introducing to

844
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,039
humanity

845
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:11,679
this new paradigm and that topic is in

846
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,640
our book

847
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:14,880
of the relationship between

848
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,679
consciousness and the contact modalities

849
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,679
and we're going to be arguing two basic

850
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:20,640
thesis

851
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,840
in our book one is number one that

852
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,000
consciousness is primary

853
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,159
and i'll explain that and articulate

854
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,760
that later on

855
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,760
after i get to breathe breathe a little

856
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,720
bit

857
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:34,720
and the second thesis

858
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:36,840
is that all of the contact

859
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,159
modalities are currently being viewed as

860
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,640
separate and distinct phenomena like

861
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:45,200
they belong in their own little box

862
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,720
and they have nothing to do with each

863
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,519
other

864
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,600
we're saying the total opposite that all

865
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,840
of the contact modalities are all

866
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:53,679
interrelated

867
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,399
why because each of these involve a

868
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,360
manipulation of space time

869
00:34:02,669 --> 00:34:01,760
which leads to the hypothesis that these

870
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,679
might be

871
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,519
interdimensional in nature

872
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:06,399
and

873
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,599
that they are consciousness based

874
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,000
so that's the basic thesis of our book

875
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,560
so i'll pause uh for you to ask me

876
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,960
another question

877
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:19,679
no thank you for that

878
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,800
i have two questions uh one would be

879
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,200
well because it's several authors as you

880
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:26,639
mentioned was there some kind of

881
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,159
determining factor of um why they

882
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,000
why it's it's because most of the time

883
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,599
it's always been you talking and i'd

884
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,200
love to listen to you but

885
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,200
especially if you have five authors is

886
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,520
there some kind of agreement you guys uh

887
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,919
come together to say okay you we all do

888
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,159
this you know together but you will be

889
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:46,320
publicly representing or at least that

890
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,839
i've only seen was you i don't know

891
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,119
about the the other ones if they're

892
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,800
doing similar things which you are

893
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:52,240
that's the first question and then a

894
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,440
second one

895
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:55,760
would be more about so we're so people

896
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,040
watching here and uh generally

897
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:01,520
they they are very enthusiastic about

898
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,560
the

899
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,800
everything ufos right and you and i kind

900
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,560
of talked about this a little bit uh

901
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:07,920
earlier

902
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,400
if you're not a experiencer

903
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,240
if you haven't been you know let's say

904
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,480
you haven't seen a ufo or anything like

905
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,760
that

906
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,880
especially when it comes to

907
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,800
consciousness are there

908
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,079
specific

909
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,720
steps somebody could take to kind of

910
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,560
start going down that consciousness

911
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,359
route if they want to see and understand

912
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,720
the same things that most of the

913
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,040
experiences have seen and experienced so

914
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:33,680
basically those two questions if um

915
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,480
if you

916
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,480
wouldn't mind touching on them please

917
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,880
yeah first of all let me sort of make a

918
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,280
correction there um it's not whether

919
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,520
you've seen a ufo that's not a

920
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,680
triggering mechanism because

921
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:47,040
there are literally

922
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,640
you know hundreds of thousands of people

923
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,400
that are seeing ufos all around the

924
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,960
world seeing this object in the sky will

925
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,079
trigger you

926
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,040
to question your reality and that are we

927
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,680
alone but it's still it triggers you

928
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,240
uh within a materialist paradigm because

929
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,320
you're seeing a physical object in the

930
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:05,920
sky okay

931
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:09,520
but once you begin to have these um

932
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,720
what i call the these experiences

933
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,200
via the contact modalities multiple

934
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,520
experiences via the contact modalities

935
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,400
like for example dr melinda greer

936
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,280
then you begin to question that these

937
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:25,520
experiences might not be

938
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:30,870
experiences that they might be a little

939
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,520
bit more complicated and then you start

940
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,480
on a journey to begin to

941
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:39,599
to study and to research

942
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,119
the topic of what is now called uh

943
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,880
consciousness research

944
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,480
and in terms of the nature of our

945
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,599
reality and you start getting into you

946
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:51,599
know parapsychology you start getting

947
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,079
buying books by dr dean raiden you're

948
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,800
starting to uh get influenced by dr

949
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,800
edgar mitchell

950
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:59,920
by the

951
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,400
the second book of of um

952
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:04,560
of dr um

953
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:07,920
um passport to the cosmos by uh the

954
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,480
medical doctor um goodness

955
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:12,640
my alzheimer's is kicking in

956
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,320
um who uh uh wrote about that we that

957
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,359
these individuals might be having dr

958
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,680
john mack okay that these individuals

959
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,359
might be having multi-dimensional

960
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,599
experiences you begin to read the books

961
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,599
of dr jack valet because he's been

962
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:29,520
talking about what i'm saying for 40

963
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,320
years

964
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:32,720
that uh that these are

965
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,000
might not be necessarily physical

966
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,200
experiences from uh from uh ets or

967
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,760
aliens from another planet okay

968
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,079
that these might be

969
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,480
uh inter-dimensional experiences

970
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,640
involving a manipulation of space-time

971
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,839
okay

972
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,760
you begin to start reading you know

973
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,320
questions about uh quantum physics and

974
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:55,839
consciousness

975
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,720
and then that path takes you

976
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:01,280
into having a better understanding that

977
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:03,440
our reality is a little bit more

978
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,880
complicated than

979
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,960
what we think it is okay

980
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,359
and um what we're trying to do in our

981
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,079
book is to uh present

982
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,000
uh for example

983
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,040
here you have this man dr jeffrey cripel

984
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:19,760
okay he's a professor of religion and

985
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,200
philosophy at rice university uh in

986
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,000
texas now rice is like a little harvard

987
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,400
you need like a 1500 to be admitted into

988
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:30,960
that school okay extremely difficult

989
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,680
school very elite school so he's been a

990
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:35,359
professor there for

991
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,720
close to 30 years and now he's a dean a

992
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:40,960
dean at rice university

993
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:43,200
this man has written 10 books all in the

994
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,839
field of the paranormal and

995
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,800
consciousness as a matter of fact

996
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,720
several years ago he wrote a book with

997
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,640
jointly with whitley strieber and he

998
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,800
also wrote another book of this

999
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:54,480
well-known lady who had a near-death

1000
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:55,599
experience

1001
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,480
and

1002
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,760
so he wrote the prologue for our book

1003
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,079
why because he's told me that what we're

1004
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,480
doing with this organization and with

1005
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:07,200
this book is a paradigm changing

1006
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,160
book okay it's going to totally flip how

1007
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,200
humanity views reality if they actually

1008
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:15,680
read it and begin to understand it okay

1009
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:18,640
we also uh have um um

1010
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,839
as i said before um the whole topic of

1011
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,480
introducing individuals to to the topic

1012
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,160
of consciousness the primacy of

1013
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,640
consciousness that conscious everything

1014
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,200
begins and ends with with consciousness

1015
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,200
that was that's usually a topic

1016
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,280
affiliated with philosophy but

1017
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,079
specifically um with the philosophy of

1018
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,720
the mind and there's a whole debate on

1019
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,640
this whole aspect of consciousness

1020
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,880
within that particular unique field so

1021
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:46,720
what we're doing is we're taking it

1022
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,000
outside of this philosophy field and

1023
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:52,480
we're extending it to all the paranormal

1024
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,359
okay

1025
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:55,839
and then

1026
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,920
as i said before we have these articles

1027
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,520
by uh

1028
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,640
based off edgar mitchell's article on

1029
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:05,200
non-local consciousness telepathy in the

1030
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,520
quantum hologram again these are very

1031
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,359
difficult reads they're not

1032
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,440
easy reads

1033
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,760
we also have another section on

1034
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:17,839
near-death experiences and the survival

1035
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,079
of consciousness those articles are

1036
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,880
written by who's who for example

1037
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,520
this woman who received a phd from new

1038
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:27,839
york university dr shiren hewitt uh

1039
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,880
rawleth

1040
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,680
um

1041
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,359
she was one of the

1042
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,079
runner-ups uh if you consider winning

1043
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,240
fifty thousand dollars a runner-up

1044
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,240
excuse me to the bob bigelow

1045
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,560
consciousness prize and bob bigelow was

1046
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,480
the man that paid mufon hundreds of

1047
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,119
thousands of dollars for their archives

1048
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,240
he purchased skinwalker ranch okay and

1049
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,920
and within ufology they're always

1050
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,079
discussing you know skin walker ranch

1051
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,240
and also the work that um

1052
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:56,480
that bob bigelow did with mufon for many

1053
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,160
many years well we have uh this lady uh

1054
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,280
who uh won a major prize with the bob

1055
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,000
bigelow award on consciousness research

1056
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,079
and the survival of human consciousness

1057
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,480
dr bruce grayson who's the leading

1058
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,640
academic researcher on near-death

1059
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,640
experiences he was the one that

1060
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,240
really spearheaded the whole research

1061
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:18,079
agenda on ndes

1062
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,760
dr jeffrey long who's one of our

1063
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,920
co-workers um

1064
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,000
again one of the major nde researchers

1065
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,280
and raymond moody he actually developed

1066
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,720
the term near death experiences in 1975

1067
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,560
and then

1068
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,599
for out-of-body experiences we have um

1069
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,520
three articles one is by stephanie

1070
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,079
schwartz who actually developed

1071
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:43,280
um what is now known as uh as

1072
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,640
non-coordinate remote viewing um

1073
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:48,960
some people in parapsychology refer to

1074
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,680
it as clairvoyance being able

1075
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,599
for your consciousness to step out of

1076
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,400
your body and go to other locations and

1077
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,520
to see

1078
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,240
and to experience other locations so

1079
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,040
stephanie schwartz uh uh

1080
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,040
is an academic really even though he

1081
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,720
doesn't have a phd associated with his

1082
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,359
name he's has published over a hundred

1083
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,319
peer-reviewed academic articles on this

1084
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,240
topic

1085
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,000
and then we have another category about

1086
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:18,960
lucid dreams uh for ghosts and spirits

1087
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,599
we have gary schwartz who is a tenured

1088
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,079
faculty member at harvard then he became

1089
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,200
tenured at yale and uh for the last 20

1090
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:28,800
years he's been at the university of

1091
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,319
arizona all focusing on

1092
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,240
unconsciousness

1093
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,280
the survival of consciousness

1094
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,440
and i could go on and on

1095
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,520
for the area on

1096
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,400
on hallucinogens also called

1097
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,440
an and theogenic research

1098
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,400
we have articles by two professors one

1099
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,280
is a a full tenured professor at the

1100
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,079
john hopkins school of medicine his name

1101
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,280
is dr roland griffiths okay and he cited

1102
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,760
our book beyond ufos and several of his

1103
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,880
papers

1104
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,319
because he's saying that these people

1105
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,599
that were taking

1106
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:07,920
uh psilocybin which is the ingredient in

1107
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,800
magic mushrooms and also dmt which is

1108
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,119
the ingredient in ayahuasca they were

1109
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,800
having like 50 percent of these people

1110
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,359
were having contact with various forms

1111
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,200
of non-human intelligence

1112
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,359
just like the ufo book they were

1113
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,160
describing uh talking to god to an

1114
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,400
energy being described as god same thing

1115
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,920
as near-death experiences we're

1116
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,480
describing and then for the ufo chapter

1117
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,920
like i said before we're going to have

1118
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,720
over 11 articles

1119
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:36,560
that provides a totally radical

1120
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,160
perspective of viewing the topic of ufos

1121
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,720
all from a consciousness based uh

1122
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,319
perspective

1123
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,839
and then um

1124
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:46,800
so

1125
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,000
the book hopefully will open up um

1126
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,079
people's uh perspective

1127
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:54,800
uh especially the uh the materialist

1128
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,000
um the people who are nuts and bolts uh

1129
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,240
not only in the field of ufology but in

1130
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:01,760
all of these other topics that i've been

1131
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:05,359
discussing to begin to understand uh

1132
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:09,520
this new paradigm of of consciousness

1133
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,790
so ray then um let me then

1134
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,800
would you be

1135
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,800
open and ready for some questions for

1136
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,280
any of those that might have some

1137
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,440
yes please okay so for those of you

1138
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:26,960
watching please go ahead start

1139
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,520
submitting your questions now and if you

1140
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,440
would like to ask a question directly

1141
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,920
just log into telegram group and

1142
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,680
raise your hand there so but the

1143
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,839
question uh that i would like to add

1144
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,240
then ask you would then something like a

1145
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,000
let's say

1146
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,560
meditation kind of be the first step for

1147
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,400
somebody to start

1148
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,319
quote unquote

1149
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,119
maybe start realizing how consciousness

1150
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,440
plays into this

1151
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,680
well there's different um ways that you

1152
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,599
could um

1153
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,359
uh what we're trying to get at is what

1154
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,520
is commonly called an altered state of

1155
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:03,760
consciousness okay once you have an

1156
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,800
altered state of consciousness then your

1157
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:09,359
uh individuated consciousness can travel

1158
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,480
to other

1159
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,280
realms other dimensions um

1160
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,839
to other higher states of consciousness

1161
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:18,240
and so um there's several ways that i

1162
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,079
would recommend one is um what was um

1163
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,920
described in the ancient vedic

1164
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:25,040
traditions

1165
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,240
um thousands of years ago and what

1166
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,400
dr stanislav groff one of the early

1167
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,880
parapsychologists

1168
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,200
developed is called holotrophic

1169
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,400
breathing

1170
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:38,640
and that is while you're doing

1171
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:42,160
a deep meditation that you would breathe

1172
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,839
very deeply deeply and very rapidly

1173
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,240
there's a formal technique of of doing

1174
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,480
that just uh try to google

1175
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,720
uh holotropic uh

1176
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,920
breathing

1177
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,319
and that induces an altered state of

1178
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,000
consciousness

1179
00:46:02,630 --> 00:45:59,920
that was known as i said before many

1180
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:02,640
many thousands of years ago in india

1181
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,920
in in the uh the ancient vedic uh

1182
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,720
sanskrit writings the bhagavad-gita and

1183
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:10,960
uh other similar texts

1184
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,240
um and there's actually one professor

1185
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,240
and i can name him in particular because

1186
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,640
he's open about it now he was very

1187
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,079
closed about it he never spoke about it

1188
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:22,079
publicly but now he is

1189
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:25,920
he's a a member of ccri he's a professor

1190
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,119
of information sciences he's a professor

1191
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,200
of statistics and data

1192
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,599
at a major university in canada his name

1193
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:35,839
is dr vault verde

1194
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,720
and let me give you his story okay about

1195
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,520
how

1196
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:42,240
this particular technique

1197
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,390
have a child so they

1198
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,240
went to various um

1199
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:54,319
fertility clinics they tried various

1200
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,440
types of

1201
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,359
of techniques and very

1202
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,640
uh dr uh the doctors had prescribed a

1203
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:02,079
lot of different things

1204
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,760
um so nothing was working okay the

1205
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,440
they never had were able

1206
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,880
to have a child

1207
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:11,359
all of a sudden a friend of of dr of

1208
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:12,400
rahul

1209
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,079
uh dr valverde invited him to

1210
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,069
a group

1211
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:22,160
uh and there um

1212
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,599
he didn't want to go because he's not

1213
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,680
into this stuff so he said come on come

1214
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,119
on you know be something new let's check

1215
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,599
it out so he went so they were doing

1216
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,640
this deep breath uh holotropic breathing

1217
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,000
techniques

1218
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:36,800
and uh all of a sudden as he was heavy

1219
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,440
into it he heard a voice

1220
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,319
okay and the voice told them raul don't

1221
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:44,559
worry about your your wife becoming

1222
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,440
pregnant okay within two weeks she's

1223
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:49,920
going to tell you that she's pregnant

1224
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,880
and then eventually um once they do the

1225
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,079
sonogram

1226
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:56,079
they're going to reveal to you that it's

1227
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:57,359
a girl

1228
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,319
okay

1229
00:48:03,030 --> 00:47:59,839
and you're going to be naming her this

1230
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:03,040
name and he gave him a name so the man

1231
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:04,319
freaked out

1232
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:05,119
he

1233
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,800
that place okay

1234
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,800
and and he was like what the hell just

1235
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,680
happened

1236
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,559
so

1237
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,400
within those two weeks his wife came

1238
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,720
back to him said raul i'm pregnant how

1239
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:18,000
pregnant how do you know i'm pregnant

1240
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:18,960
well

1241
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,160
um i took this um over-the-counter uh

1242
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,440
pregnancy test and then i went to my uh

1243
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,680
my gynecologist and it we did the

1244
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:29,920
pregnancy test there and yes i'm

1245
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,040
pregnant so they celebrated okay

1246
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:35,119
uh a few months later the wife had a

1247
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,240
sonogram

1248
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,160
revealed that it was a girl

1249
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,400
okay then they discussed names

1250
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,160
eventually of the girl they wound up

1251
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,559
giving it the name that this uh

1252
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:46,000
intelligence

1253
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:47,520
conveyed to him

1254
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,319
okay it was a voice that in his head

1255
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:53,200
well guess what we have three professors

1256
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:54,640
in our group

1257
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:57,520
okay um two of them i already mentioned

1258
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,559
before

1259
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,440
okay

1260
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:01,599
one is jeff

1261
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,760
and the other one is dr gary schwartz

1262
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,000
those two also had very similar

1263
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,720
experiences of a voice telling them

1264
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,400
information

1265
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:14,240
that's how they got involved in this to

1266
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,440
begin with

1267
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:17,760
okay we have another man

1268
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,270
he started doing uh what is commonly

1269
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:28,240
called ce5 but joseph and i prefer the

1270
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:31,839
term h-i-c-e which is human-initiated

1271
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,880
contact experiences okay

1272
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:36,800
so he started off initially with stephen

1273
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,920
greer in 1992 he was

1274
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,760
the los angeles representative for

1275
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,280
steven grier

1276
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:45,040
he lasted like six years with steven

1277
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,319
greer

1278
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,319
i will go into all the negative stuff

1279
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:49,920
that he told me

1280
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,200
but he basically uh had to leave uh his

1281
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,280
association with this man

1282
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:56,960
and so um

1283
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,839
so he's been doing uh calling down ufos

1284
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,880
for

1285
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,440
really since 1992.

1286
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,280
and so um

1287
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,280
in 2013

1288
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,240
uh he was also a member of the dr edgar

1289
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:11,920
mitchell free foundation from the very

1290
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,640
beginning so in 2013 um

1291
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,640
we i began to talk to him about the

1292
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,640
nature of this phenomenon and i was

1293
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,520
telling him about some of my hypotheses

1294
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:25,200
and i could go into some of those later

1295
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,839
on and so um we shared very mutual uh

1296
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,079
hypotheses about the nature of this

1297
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,079
phenomenon we both shared the vision

1298
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,599
that uh these experiences were

1299
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,000
that we were having were holographic

1300
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:41,599
projections

1301
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,559
and that these were virtual reality

1302
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:46,480
holographic projections

1303
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,000
so um it was about four years ago we had

1304
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:52,079
a very in-depth conversation of that

1305
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,040
topic

1306
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:55,599
and so i asked joseph i said look joseph

1307
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,400
uh

1308
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,559
i plan to write a book

1309
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,640
uh the book that we're doing now i said

1310
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:03,599
can you begin to put your your ideas on

1311
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:06,400
paper to write a paper a very detailed

1312
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,280
you know complex paper with uh all the

1313
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:11,920
literature of the field of ufology to

1314
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,520
elaborate on your uh hypothesis

1315
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,520
and his paper which is going to be in

1316
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,640
our book is titled the virtual reality

1317
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,680
model

1318
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:24,160
of uap contact

1319
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,200
okay

1320
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,359
and um so

1321
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:30,160
that's just an illustration of some of

1322
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,520
the complexities that we're going to be

1323
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,200
talking about in

1324
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,680
in in our book

1325
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,119
and so

1326
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,200
many of the people that have written

1327
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,440
chapters in our book

1328
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,760
they're also experiencers

1329
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:45,920
many individuals have might not never

1330
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,640
have heard of their personal experiences

1331
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,720
but many of them are now

1332
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,559
like kathleen martin and willie strieber

1333
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,400
are beginning to talk to

1334
00:52:08,069 --> 00:51:55,440
the

1335
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,079
speaking i thought it was more coming

1336
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,880
and so sorry for the pause okay well uh

1337
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,240
let's start with the first question this

1338
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:13,440
one is from

1339
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,119
um mr catfish 2100 it says who are the

1340
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,549
who are the tall grace that that gets

1341
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,599
into a complicated response okay

1342
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,280
um

1343
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,520
our first of all let me introduce that

1344
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,359
answer by saying

1345
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,920
that we

1346
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,440
interviewed

1347
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,640
both

1348
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,280
in in surveys of

1349
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,520
quantitative surveys and qualitative

1350
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,119
survey instruments

1351
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:45,599
over 4 300 people

1352
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,160
we literally had thousands upon

1353
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,240
thousands of different

1354
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,400
types of beings that people were

1355
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,800
describing okay

1356
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,119
we had for the graves we had the short

1357
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,599
grays and we had the tall grace

1358
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:00,880
we had

1359
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:07,359
reptilians well guess what the number

1360
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,720
one type of beings that people were

1361
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,400
seeing were not the grays

1362
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,800
they were actually the energy being at

1363
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,640
57

1364
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,359
number two was the human looking being

1365
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:19,839
okay and again the human looking beings

1366
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:22,640
were described as little tiny you know

1367
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:25,839
people to people that were 17 feet tall

1368
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:27,760
some of them were uh

1369
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,520
were wearing roman tunics other as um

1370
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,160
uh different types of out of

1371
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,720
of of outerwear

1372
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,160
and

1373
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:40,160
some of them were black some of them

1374
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,440
were asian

1375
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,000
some of them were the blue-haired

1376
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,640
blond-eyed uh types

1377
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:48,880
same thing with the what is considered

1378
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,760
the gray category okay we literally had

1379
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,520
hundreds and hundreds of different types

1380
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,720
of grays

1381
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:56,480
uh being

1382
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,079
just like animals like for example uh um

1383
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,160
you named the animal people were seeing

1384
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,920
we even had someone that described in

1385
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,000
detail a joint mutual experience with

1386
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:08,240
their friend

1387
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,359
something that looked like a big

1388
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,200
gigantic mucus

1389
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,680
that was clinging to the corner of of

1390
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:15,040
their living room

1391
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,240
and communicating with them

1392
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,319
telepathically okay

1393
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:20,720
what many of these individuals uh were

1394
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,200
told by this intelligence

1395
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:25,920
uh this very varied group of

1396
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,200
intelligence was that they can appear

1397
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,280
to us as humans in many different

1398
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,800
formats

1399
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,760
okay

1400
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:35,040
um

1401
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,160
also

1402
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:39,200
what many of us have come to hypothesize

1403
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:40,319
together with

1404
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:41,280
the

1405
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:45,920
okay

1406
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,480
that these experiences are not

1407
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,720
physicalist experiences

1408
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:52,799
you actually are not seeing

1409
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,079
uh a physical gray from our 3d reality

1410
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,119
it might be a being that um

1411
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:01,760
that whose nature comes from let's say

1412
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:04,799
the 4d reality where we are experiencing

1413
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,160
out of body experiences

1414
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,720
we're experiencing revoked viewing

1415
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:12,319
clear

1416
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:13,200
of

1417
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,799
experiences by by a non-human

1418
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,400
intelligence

1419
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:24,559
the problem uh and that was the theory

1420
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,599
also held by dr alan heineck at the very

1421
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,040
end of his life

1422
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:30,480
okay

1423
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,040
but materialist ufology has um has never

1424
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,680
accepted this theory

1425
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:40,079
why because they're materialist because

1426
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,799
if you can't put it in a test tube

1427
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,880
okay you can't duplicate it that it's

1428
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,480
not real

1429
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:48,640
but yet quantum physicists have known

1430
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,520
about the nature of consciousness

1431
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,760
since quantum physics first was started

1432
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,839
as a matter of fact most of the early

1433
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,839
quantum physicists eventually won nobel

1434
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,880
prize

1435
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,799
in quantum physics all of them

1436
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,280
eventually came about saying that

1437
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,440
consciousness is primary

1438
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:07,760
so that means that what we are

1439
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:10,720
interacting with in our 3d physical

1440
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:13,359
reality is an illusion okay that is much

1441
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,000
more complicated than that so in terms

1442
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,839
of these tall grays

1443
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:18,960
i said

1444
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,400
get over with okay it's not uh one

1445
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,400
subspecies that's coming from a tall

1446
00:56:29,309 --> 00:56:26,880
gray planet okay that this is something

1447
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,319
way way more complicated that these are

1448
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:31,680
consciousness-based experiences

1449
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,240
and if you really want to get a um

1450
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,240
a fundamental understanding of some of

1451
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:37,680
this literature you could read jack

1452
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,200
valley's book titled uh dimensions um

1453
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:42,640
you could also

1454
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:45,280
read his book revelations

1455
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:46,000
or

1456
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,079
okay these are topics that dr vallet was

1457
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:59,040
introducing over 40 years ago

1458
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,400
that

1459
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:01,839
he doesn't hold

1460
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,559
the e.t hypothesis that these is uh that

1461
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:05,760
this is a

1462
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,480
a physical being coming from a physical

1463
00:57:12,990 --> 00:57:10,799
planet that this is something much more

1464
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:13,000
complicated that these are

1465
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,680
inter-dimensional experiences

1466
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,520
and he says the problem is that we just

1467
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,960
don't understand

1468
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,400
space-time

1469
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,799
okay now all of these experiences all of

1470
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:24,640
the contact modalities

1471
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:27,760
involves a manipulation of space-time

1472
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,319
um and i could go into that you know

1473
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,559
later on in terms of those details some

1474
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,599
of the the data from the ufo research

1475
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,440
study well you might as well get it over

1476
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,880
with now if you don't mind while we're

1477
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:40,720
on the same thread

1478
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:48,710
our book beyond ufos i'm giving away

1479
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:51,760
over almost 500 pages from that book the

1480
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,559
entire book okay as as separate pdf

1481
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,799
files for free

1482
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,319
okay for free

1483
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:01,119
okay what you need to do is send me an

1484
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,079
email

1485
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,839
to info

1486
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:04,720
at

1487
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:10,640
reality dot com info info

1488
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:13,760
a greater reality dot com and i will

1489
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:16,880
send you the vast majority of our book

1490
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,079
including a peer-reviewed academic

1491
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,400
research paper that was published by

1492
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:25,200
myself and three retired professors

1493
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,640
in um

1494
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,240
the journal of the society for

1495
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,640
scientific exploration and that's a

1496
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,079
journal that jacques valley has

1497
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,319
published in in the past

1498
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,799
and um

1499
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,640
let me discuss the four major research

1500
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:41,760
findings of our book our book is 820

1501
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,200
pages in length okay we spent five years

1502
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,200
doing this research study now this

1503
00:58:52,270 --> 00:58:50,079
research study is the world's first the

1504
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,280
world's first and only

1505
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:54,000
comprehensive

1506
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:55,440
academic

1507
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:58,960
statistical resource study on ufo

1508
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,079
contact experiencers

1509
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,119
that was done in multiple languages and

1510
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:08,319
administered all throughout the world we

1511
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,720
had responses from over 125 uh countries

1512
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:13,680
okay

1513
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:17,040
and um huge numbers 4 300 people

1514
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,480
responded to it

1515
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:20,799
and uh if you were to say ray okay you

1516
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,359
know you've got tons of data what would

1517
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,280
be the four major ones the four major

1518
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,119
ones is we wanted to study whether these

1519
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:29,839
experiences were positive negative or

1520
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,280
neutral because you go into the internet

1521
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,920
and you listen to these ufo conferences

1522
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:37,760
and you hear these so-called researchers

1523
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,720
talking about how negative this is okay

1524
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,799
how horrible it is bud

1525
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,160
jacobs and

1526
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:46,799
and hopkins and bud hopkins first of all

1527
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:48,799
these people their data did not come

1528
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:51,440
from any statistical data their data

1529
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,680
came from hypnotic regressions

1530
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,680
and these are pre-selected people they

1531
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:57,760
only pre-selected people whose

1532
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:00,720
experiences were negative to begin with

1533
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:03,040
and that came directly from an article

1534
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,559
by carol rainey who was uh uh married to

1535
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:09,359
bud hopkins for over 10 years okay she

1536
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,119
talked about how that whole phenomenon

1537
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,079
was orchestrated okay via their hypnotic

1538
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,280
regressions okay uh i won't go into

1539
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:19,680
those details of her article so this is

1540
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:22,160
someone that was there interviewing

1541
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,440
people um um video recording these

1542
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:27,760
hypnotic regressions and she was able to

1543
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,480
see

1544
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,760
firsthand

1545
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,839
how biased their research was david

1546
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,839
jacobs has stated that he has never met

1547
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:35,760
anyone with a positive

1548
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:37,520
ufo experience

1549
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,559
okay

1550
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,079
not one person

1551
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,400
but yet our research studies showed that

1552
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:43,920
towards the very end when they were

1553
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,960
answering our surveys 96 did not view

1554
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:49,119
their experiences as negative

1555
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,799
okay only four percent view their

1556
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,960
experiences negative so that really just

1557
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,920
shows

1558
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,400
uh how bs their research is but yet

1559
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,720
that's the prevailing view in ufology

1560
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,960
okay so we asked that question of

1561
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,599
positive negative neutral more than 25

1562
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,200
different ways

1563
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:07,040
because depending on how you phrase a

1564
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:09,440
question you'll get a different response

1565
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:11,920
so we asked this question for example if

1566
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,359
you could stop your experiences right

1567
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:15,119
now would you

1568
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,480
well 86 said no keep it coming baby keep

1569
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,480
it coming so if this was just so

1570
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,040
horrible and negative why did 86 percent

1571
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,839
said no don't stop it okay

1572
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:26,799
um

1573
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:29,680
we had uh uh a fixed choice questions

1574
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:30,880
that means that

1575
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:33,599
uh you had to either answer one way or

1576
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:35,440
the other in order to continue with the

1577
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:38,079
survey and that was do you view these

1578
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:41,119
experiences as negative

1579
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,640
well guess what

1580
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:44,480
only four percent viewed that is

1581
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:45,760
negative

1582
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,160
however initially in the very beginning

1583
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:50,880
of the experiences

1584
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:53,920
37 viewed their experiences as highly

1585
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,039
negative

1586
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:57,520
okay which is a very large number

1587
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:59,839
but then what we determined was that the

1588
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,280
overwhelming majority of these

1589
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:02,960
individuals were having

1590
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:05,520
multiple contact experiences over the

1591
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:08,319
years okay the largest category was more

1592
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,039
than 20 of these experiences and that

1593
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:13,200
was 40 percent of the people

1594
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,200
40 percent of these people had more than

1595
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:17,280
20 contact experiences

1596
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,359
so we were able to determine that the

1597
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:21,119
more experiences you had the more

1598
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,319
positive

1599
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,720
was your

1600
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,359
perspective of your initial experiences

1601
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:30,000
and your experiences changed

1602
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:31,039
okay

1603
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,039
on the topic of abductions

1604
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:34,799
what we were able to discover was that

1605
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,039
only one third of these people had what

1606
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,880
is commonly called an abduction that

1607
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:40,799
means a force taking

1608
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:43,280
to another location or another reality

1609
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,400
okay that's only one third

1610
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:48,559
but yet the field of ufology believes

1611
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:51,760
that all ufo contact is abduction

1612
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:54,799
related well that's a false premise

1613
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,680
now out of those that were abductees

1614
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,799
okay

1615
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,079
70

1616
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:02,240
of the people who had an initial

1617
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:04,720
abduction experience now call themselves

1618
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,559
contactees

1619
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,960
okay 70 of the

1620
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,480
people that had an abduction experience

1621
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,960
why because their experiences changed

1622
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:14,799
and their view of their initial

1623
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:17,760
experience changed as well over time

1624
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:20,319
they got to say okay you know um i was

1625
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:21,599
on the table they were physically

1626
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:24,559
inspecting me but these experiences were

1627
01:03:29,910 --> 01:03:25,680
not

1628
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,920
negative they didn't do any um uh uh

1629
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,160
damage to me i might have been scared

1630
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,319
straight you know scared like hell

1631
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:36,160
you know when they were doing this but

1632
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:38,079
now all of a sudden what we discovered

1633
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:40,240
was that many of these people were now

1634
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:43,440
interacting with human looking beings

1635
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,720
they were being brought to other

1636
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:46,000
realities

1637
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:48,400
okay they were being shown the spirit

1638
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:49,359
world

1639
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,160
okay

1640
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,839
like whitley schlieber

1641
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,760
okay like kathleen martin

1642
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,760
like so many of the of the experiencers

1643
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,599
in our book half of the people that i

1644
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:59,200
spoke that were written up in bud

1645
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,359
hopkins books half of these people now

1646
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,520
call themselves contactees

1647
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,039
they've been brought to other realities

1648
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:08,000
other dimensions okay so that was one

1649
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:10,160
area that

1650
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:13,440
the overwhelming number of these people

1651
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,280
when they answered our survey questions

1652
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:17,119
many many years later viewed their

1653
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,240
experiences

1654
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,920
as highly positive

1655
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,920
just like kathleen martin and whitley

1656
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:24,240
streeper the other area that we found

1657
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:25,760
out was that

1658
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,319
materialist ufology just talks about the

1659
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:30,000
physical aspects

1660
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:33,520
of the phenomenon okay

1661
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:36,319
now like in my case i physically have

1662
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:39,440
called down four uaps

1663
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,960
so i've physically seen them with my

1664
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,400
eyes okay

1665
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,760
i have seen

1666
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,319
an energy being in my living room so

1667
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:48,799
physically i have seen a physical

1668
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:51,039
non-human intelligence okay

1669
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,839
but the overwhelming number of my

1670
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:55,119
experiences

1671
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,280
over a four-year period

1672
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:59,359
can be categorized as paranormal in

1673
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,400
nature

1674
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:02,640
in terms of out-of-body experiences

1675
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:05,280
being brought to other realities

1676
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:08,079
by a non-human intelligence and given

1677
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:09,760
spiritual lessons lessons of our

1678
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:12,480
cosmology lessons of consciousness

1679
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:18,549
you know seeing deceased people

1680
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,839
okay

1681
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:21,280
so these

1682
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,799
experiences

1683
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,799
uh are not discussed in the field of

1684
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:26,480
ufology but yet

1685
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:29,119
once we looked at all of the survey

1686
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:32,960
responses from all the 4 300 individuals

1687
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:35,680
we discovered that the overwhelming

1688
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,319
percentage of their experiences

1689
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,880
were not physical they were paranormal

1690
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:42,640
in nature and let me give you some

1691
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,480
example eighty percent of these people

1692
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,480
were having out of body experiences

1693
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,880
eighty percent 8 out of 10.

1694
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:52,400
37

1695
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:56,079
had at least one near death experience

1696
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:58,319
67 percent

1697
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:01,359
were have seen a deceased person

1698
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,480
okay

1699
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,480
67 two out of every three

1700
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:06,480
out of those people

1701
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:08,960
to uh sixty percent actually

1702
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:11,280
communicated with that deceased person

1703
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:12,079
okay

1704
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:14,000
um 63

1705
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:15,760
have seen orbs

1706
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,079
not via picture or a video but an actual

1707
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:20,160
person an orb orbs that went through

1708
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:23,839
windows you know through walls etc

1709
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:24,960
um

1710
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:27,599
and you name the the so-called

1711
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:33,349
a parts of things mysteriously appearing

1712
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:34,720
in your living room

1713
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:37,599
of books flying around you know other uh

1714
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:40,480
poltergeist type of activities okay

1715
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:42,079
um

1716
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:42,880
it was

1717
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,559
huge the numbers of people that were

1718
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:46,480
having these paranormal experiences

1719
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,039
so and they weren't having one type they

1720
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,760
were having the whole smorgasbord

1721
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,480
the whole cornucopia of the paranormal

1722
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:56,559
experiences like dr melinda gria that i

1723
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,440
described before or in my case

1724
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:01,760
and so um that was a the second

1725
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:04,079
conclusion that these experiences should

1726
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:07,039
not be viewed as physical experiences

1727
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:08,720
they should be viewed

1728
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,480
as uh psyche and consciousness based

1729
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:14,480
experiences okay

1730
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,000
and that gets back to that question of

1731
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:18,000
the other gentleman who talked about

1732
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:19,599
what do you think about these tall grays

1733
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:22,799
okay the third major conclusion

1734
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:25,520
was that these experiences

1735
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,039
uh involve

1736
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:29,039
in a total transformation of the

1737
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:31,760
individual and i discussed that earlier

1738
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,039
uh when i uh told you that we took 70

1739
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:37,839
questions from dr kenneth ring's

1740
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:38,799
study

1741
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:41,440
from his book beyond uh excuse me the

1742
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,880
omega project

1743
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,359
and we discovered that these people made

1744
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:47,520
a total radical transformation for the

1745
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,720
positive okay in terms of spirituality

1746
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,799
not fearing death they weren't concerned

1747
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:54,400
about material things that became more

1748
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:56,079
ecologically

1749
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:57,039
friendly

1750
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:58,799
they became much more loving much more

1751
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:01,440
caring et cetera et cetera et cetera

1752
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:04,240
okay so that was the third

1753
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:05,520
major

1754
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:10,079
these experiences involve what is

1755
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,079
commonly called a manipulation of

1756
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,559
space-time okay

1757
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,799
we discovered that 50

1758
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:18,640
of these people

1759
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:20,799
were brought to other realities by

1760
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:23,600
non-human intelligence 50 percent

1761
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,239
in my case case uh i could go into the

1762
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,719
details uh but it would take too long to

1763
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,279
describe it uh i was brought to another

1764
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,839
reality where i was shown

1765
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,359
um

1766
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:37,199
the relationship between consciousness

1767
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:38,799
and all the paranormal

1768
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,839
uh

1769
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,920
contact modalities

1770
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,640
that's what led for me to begin to

1771
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:46,799
research this phenomenon and eventually

1772
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:48,880
to write this book because i was brought

1773
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,640
to this other reality where i was taught

1774
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:52,880
all these things um

1775
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,279
and uh 50 of these people were brought

1776
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:58,000
to other realities okay so these are

1777
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,520
people in order to take our survey you

1778
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,359
have to first of all have seen a

1779
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,600
physical ufo

1780
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,040
secondly you have had to have had some

1781
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,120
type of contact with non-human

1782
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,960
intelligence okay

1783
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,719
and what we discovered was that eighty

1784
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:12,719
percent of these people had physically

1785
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,000
seen

1786
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:16,880
a physical being okay and the other

1787
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:19,520
twenty percent uh were people that only

1788
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,239
had telepathic communications

1789
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,040
but the overwhelming majority have had

1790
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,279
both they've seen a physical being and

1791
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:29,679
have gotten telepathic communications

1792
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,159
okay when they didn't see a beam

1793
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,000
like like i talked to you before about

1794
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:36,640
doctor rahul valverde saying raul you

1795
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,719
know your wife is two weeks got to tell

1796
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:40,640
you that she's pregnant okay

1797
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,920
um so

1798
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:43,359
um

1799
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:48,640
and uh

1800
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:51,520
50 of these people have told us that

1801
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:55,120
they had a miraculous medical healing

1802
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,239
okay

1803
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:58,000
kathy martin had a miraculous medical

1804
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,120
healing

1805
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:01,440
okay she's in our book beyond ufos but

1806
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,800
at that time she didn't want to go

1807
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,560
public with her name

1808
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:06,800
okay but she's the story that was the

1809
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:09,520
woman that was cured of chronic fatigue

1810
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:10,560
syndrome

1811
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,679
okay my dog was totally healed by an

1812
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:15,520
energy being in our living room

1813
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:17,840
and then later on my wife began to call

1814
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:20,800
down you know numerous ufos and i

1815
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:23,840
eventually began to call down for ufos

1816
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,040
so this energy being healed our dog who

1817
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:29,120
we were going to be euthanizing

1818
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:31,600
okay the very next day

1819
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,280
okay so um and that's also if you send

1820
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,000
me an email i will send you our chapter

1821
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,640
on medical healings on ufo

1822
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:42,080
medical healings

1823
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:46,239
again the email is info at experi at um

1824
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:49,600
at a greaterreality.com

1825
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,270
so those are the four major findings let

1826
01:11:02,630 --> 01:10:59,280
me summarize them real quickly these

1827
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,640
experiences were overwhelmingly

1828
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,800
positive in nature

1829
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,880
not in the big in the beginning

1830
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:09,280
but towards the end of their experiences

1831
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:11,679
once when they were taking our survey

1832
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,400
number two these experiences were

1833
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,120
extremely transformational

1834
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,120
highly transformative transformational

1835
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:21,199
for the positive okay

1836
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:24,560
number three these experiences involve

1837
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,960
uh primarily

1838
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,960
psyche and consciousness based

1839
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:30,800
experiences you know paranormal

1840
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:33,920
experiences and not necessarily physical

1841
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,120
experiences

1842
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,600
of seeing a physical being of seeing a

1843
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,679
physical ufo that's part of the

1844
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,040
phenomenon

1845
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:43,199
but that's not the overwhelming majority

1846
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,000
of the phenomenon number four these

1847
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:48,320
experiences involve a manipulation of

1848
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,600
space-time

1849
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,600
just like when people see a

1850
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,840
deceased person that's a manipulation of

1851
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,679
space time here you having the

1852
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:57,920
consciousness of this deceased person is

1853
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:00,800
physically appearing in our reality

1854
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:03,199
in a dear near-death experience your

1855
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,320
consciousness is going to uh a higher

1856
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,199
reality okay where you're seeing

1857
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:11,040
deceased relatives where you're

1858
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:14,000
interacting with uh a being that people

1859
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,239
associate with god where you're being

1860
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:18,159
given a life review you're being shown

1861
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,520
all the good things you've done in your

1862
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,800
life and all the bad things you've done

1863
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,560
in your life you know et cetera et

1864
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:24,719
cetera so that involves

1865
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,960
a manipulation of space time where your

1866
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:28,480
consciousness is being brought to

1867
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:29,840
another reality

1868
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,159
by definition when you are having an out

1869
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,239
of body experience or

1870
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:36,480
you're doing astral travel or you're

1871
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,270
remote viewing

1872
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:43,600
okay by definition there's a

1873
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:45,679
manipulation of space-time because your

1874
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,480
consciousness is outside of your 3d

1875
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:50,800
physical reality you're seeing your body

1876
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:53,120
underneath you but yet you're going

1877
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,120
around the neighborhood checking it out

1878
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:57,600
as a

1879
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,560
via

1880
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:01,040
a conscious being

1881
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:03,040
when you're doing remote viewing

1882
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,880
your mind your consciousness is

1883
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,440
physically outside of your body

1884
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:09,040
and you might be

1885
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:10,880
like some of the early remote viewers

1886
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:14,880
going to a secret russian military uh

1887
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:17,440
factory where they're building uh the

1888
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:20,320
latest model of a nuclear submarine okay

1889
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,120
now it's a true story that's how the cia

1890
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:25,280
eventually awarded the stanford research

1891
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:28,239
institute a contract on revolt viewing

1892
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,600
because they were able to go in there

1893
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:31,440
and to identify the submarine sub that's

1894
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:32,480
being built

1895
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:34,800
that was verified by a spy

1896
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,120
who was in that submarine factory

1897
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,040
that verified exactly what these remote

1898
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:41,600
viewers were telling them okay so again

1899
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:44,480
it involves a manipulation of space time

1900
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:47,199
where your consciousness is outside of

1901
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,400
your 3d reality but yet you are seeing

1902
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:52,960
you are hearing your senses like your

1903
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:55,840
normal uh five senses would be but

1904
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,560
you're doing it outside of the 3d

1905
01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:00,640
reality okay you're doing outside of

1906
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,840
space-time

1907
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,000
so those are the four major conclusions

1908
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,159
of our book but yet

1909
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,400
almost nobody has read a book nobody

1910
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:10,640
cares they'd rather read another story

1911
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,960
about randall shim forrest about roswell

1912
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:16,880
about a new medical medal that was

1913
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:20,880
discovered uh the new tic tac video um

1914
01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:23,840
uh so my response to that is

1915
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:26,840
what have we learned over the last 80

1916
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:29,840
years of approaching the field of

1917
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:32,400
ufology from a strict materialist

1918
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,199
perspective what have we really learned

1919
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,120
my response is

1920
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:39,280
very little

1921
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:42,800
but yet what have we learned

1922
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:47,040
by the 820 page book beyond ufos

1923
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:48,320
okay

1924
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:49,520
a lot

1925
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,520
uh very

1926
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,199
very complex

1927
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,880
but if you approach it from a

1928
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:58,960
materialist perspective

1929
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:01,760
you're not going to accept it

1930
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:02,560
uh

1931
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,280
george hernandez asking can past life

1932
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:13,199
speed considered a form of time travel

1933
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:17,830
well

1934
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,880
um

1935
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,800
a lot of people that have had near-death

1936
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:22,320
experiences

1937
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,840
describe the past life phenomena okay

1938
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:28,320
the past life phenomenon was studied

1939
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,840
academically

1940
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,320
by um

1941
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:34,640
by this professor

1942
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:37,520
at the university of virginia school of

1943
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:39,360
medicine so this is a professor of

1944
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:42,080
psychiatry who all of a sudden the guy

1945
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:46,000
they invented the the xerox machine died

1946
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:47,440
and

1947
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,480
he had

1948
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,920
met with the university of virginia

1949
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:51,600
beforehand says look i'm going to leave

1950
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:53,040
you leave you

1951
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:54,800
millions of dollars

1952
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:55,600
but

1953
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,679
i want this money to go into someone

1954
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,120
who's going to study

1955
01:16:02,070 --> 01:16:00,960
reincarnation

1956
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:02,080
okay

1957
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,440
so

1958
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,360
the university of virginia approached dr

1959
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,199
ian stevenson

1960
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,679
said look we got this uh very wealthy

1961
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,239
man invented the xerox machine

1962
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,719
and he wants to leave us with millions

1963
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:17,040
of dollars

1964
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,239
which we can give to you because we know

1965
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,080
that you have an interested and

1966
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:24,880
interested in these topics

1967
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:27,679
in consciousness of the paranormal es

1968
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:29,440
esp et cetera

1969
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:32,480
and so dr ian stevenson accepted it and

1970
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,159
he began i believe was in 1962 at the

1971
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,239
university of virginia the division of

1972
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:40,480
perceptual studies okay

1973
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:43,760
uh that uh organization eventually grew

1974
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:44,800
to have

1975
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:48,159
uh i think seven or eight professors

1976
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,840
most of these people came from leading

1977
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:52,400
academic institutions

1978
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:54,239
and then from there

1979
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,000
dr bruce grayson

1980
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,159
developed the nde literature he began to

1981
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,320
do all of these academic research

1982
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,280
studies on experiences of ndes

1983
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:05,199
and then

1984
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:06,239
before

1985
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:09,600
dr stevenson passed away he hired

1986
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,040
dr

1987
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:15,590
jim tucker

1988
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:17,520
to

1989
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:20,960
reincarnation

1990
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:23,600
and so dr stevenson published i think it

1991
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,400
was two or three major books we'd had

1992
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,120
which had hundreds of case studies

1993
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:31,360
of the field of reincarnation

1994
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:34,000
but the field of nde research

1995
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:36,560
also reveals the whole aspect of

1996
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,360
reincarnation as well a lot of nde

1997
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,840
experiencers discuss that okay

1998
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:43,360
now um

1999
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,120
in terms of uh

2000
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:47,760
past lives and time travel okay

2001
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:50,800
um again i'm not a physicist i could

2002
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:53,920
only tell you what uh physicists and our

2003
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:56,560
organization have told me and including

2004
01:18:02,550 --> 01:17:59,520
edgar mitchell who uh got a phd in

2005
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,560
aeronautical uh uh engineering

2006
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:04,960
and and uh from um

2007
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:07,920
mit which is one of the leading

2008
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:10,560
scientific universities in the world

2009
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:14,480
and so they all told me it says ray um

2010
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,199
uh time doesn't it exist

2011
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,679
because it's folded into einstein's

2012
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:21,600
concept of space time

2013
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:24,560
so uh space doesn't exist and time

2014
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,760
doesn't it does not exist okay

2015
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:29,120
now

2016
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:33,520
individuals are able to uh

2017
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:37,360
experience past lives

2018
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:40,640
via what edgar described in his model

2019
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,600
via non-local consciousness

2020
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:45,040
just like you could experience

2021
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:46,560
precognition

2022
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:49,120
of a future event that's going to happen

2023
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:51,840
and let me give you an illustration okay

2024
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:54,800
people that have had contact

2025
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,760
uh via near-death experiences ufo

2026
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:58,800
contact

2027
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,640
seeing ghosts and spirits any of these

2028
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:03,120
contact modalities all of a sudden it's

2029
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:06,719
like their consciousness is opened up to

2030
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:09,679
other types of experiences okay

2031
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,000
uh let me give you an example

2032
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:13,920
uh my wife

2033
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:15,440
uh

2034
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,719
disappeared right in front of me in my

2035
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:18,239
living room

2036
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,600
when uh when uh

2037
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,280
when i had that experience with that

2038
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,679
energy being in my living room

2039
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:27,600
she had one hour of missing time she was

2040
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,120
gone okay

2041
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:32,080
um and then when um when she was

2042
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:34,960
returned with our dog our dog was fully

2043
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,600
healed okay fully healed

2044
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,120
we didn't have to euthanize her later

2045
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:41,600
that afternoon okay

2046
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:43,280
she was like uh running around like a

2047
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:45,760
little puppy

2048
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:46,800
so

2049
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:49,280
edgar mitchell described this whole

2050
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:52,239
process of non-local consciousness

2051
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:54,320
and how telepathy works

2052
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:57,520
dean rayden in his many books was able

2053
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,800
to describe

2054
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:00,800
precognition

2055
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,400
how that might work

2056
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:04,880
the uh yes what is commonly described as

2057
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:06,000
esp

2058
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,760
so a lot of people

2059
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:09,120
um uh

2060
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,320
via

2061
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:12,719
this process of non-local consciousness

2062
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,560
are able to tap in to their past lives

2063
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:18,719
all of a sudden you know you might be

2064
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:21,199
meditating okay you go into these deep

2065
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:24,239
meditations or holotropic breathings and

2066
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,719
all of a sudden you're in

2067
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:28,480
uh a past life

2068
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,199
okay you might be a native american and

2069
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,600
you might be witnessing uh how you were

2070
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:35,280
killed by another tribe

2071
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,440
in a battle and you're experiencing

2072
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,360
everything okay

2073
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:41,360
like you're in that person's body and

2074
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:42,960
you're seeing you're smelling you're

2075
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:45,600
feeling you know

2076
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:47,920
so a lot of these people that have these

2077
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:48,800
um

2078
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:51,679
past life type of experiences

2079
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,199
uh what it is is that their

2080
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:54,719
consciousness

2081
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:55,520
is

2082
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,719
leaving their physical 3d body

2083
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:00,719
and they're going into these higher

2084
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:01,920
realms

2085
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:05,679
okay just like astral traveling okay and

2086
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:06,639
um

2087
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:09,760
your mind not your brain but your mind

2088
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,719
your consciousness mind is traveling to

2089
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:14,400
these other realities where you're

2090
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:16,000
tapping into

2091
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:20,159
via the skills of of of of perception

2092
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:21,280
resonance

2093
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:22,639
coherence

2094
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:26,790
you know describing how non-local

2095
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,120
consciousness works into this other

2096
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:31,199
reality of past lives

2097
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:31,920
so

2098
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:34,639
um i guess it's a long

2099
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,840
explanation of explaining that yes past

2100
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,880
lives

2101
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:40,400
is uh

2102
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,840
very real

2103
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:43,920
it's been fully documented from many

2104
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:45,679
many different approaches

2105
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:49,440
and that reincarnation uh seems to exist

2106
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:51,760
and many ancient cultures

2107
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,320
from all of the mystical cultures

2108
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:56,480
to indigenous cultures

2109
01:22:02,950 --> 01:21:59,679
they all talk about reincarnation

2110
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:02,960
okay so uh again these are mysteries

2111
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:03,760
that

2112
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:06,480
humanity is just beginning to discuss

2113
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:07,840
these topics

2114
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:10,719
in a scientific framework they have been

2115
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,960
discussed in oral cultural traditions

2116
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:14,719
for thousands of years

2117
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,600
but now these academics these scientists

2118
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,159
are beginning to discuss these things

2119
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,040
from an academic perspective

2120
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:25,360
there really is no

2121
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:28,320
explanation that that that proves these

2122
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,280
things

2123
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:31,840
because as i said earlier you can't get

2124
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:34,239
these topics and put them in the test

2125
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,600
tube and duplicate them again okay

2126
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:38,800
how could you

2127
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,159
duplicate consciousness you know um

2128
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:44,639
and um so anyway i hope that uh

2129
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:47,520
addresses a little bit your question

2130
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,560
thank you for that right yeah labels 369

2131
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,960
had a question but then later on on the

2132
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:54,960
bottom answered the question answered

2133
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:57,280
thanks so um

2134
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:58,880
there you go already

2135
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:00,960
doing the future skip and uh getting

2136
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:04,239
that taken care of so i have a a poly

2137
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:06,320
over uh telegram would like to ask a

2138
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:08,880
question so paulie you are unmuted and

2139
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:10,960
mute yourself on your end and please ask

2140
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,470
hello everybody fascinating fascinating

2141
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:18,480
stuff i can't wait to get my hands on

2142
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:20,080
that book

2143
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,120
and

2144
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:23,440
i have had a lot of unusual experiences

2145
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,760
over time it started by seeing some ufos

2146
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:27,520
and that opened up

2147
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:28,560
my

2148
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:31,040
curiosity and then i

2149
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:33,040
started learning from people and it's

2150
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,520
been a very interesting journey for me

2151
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:38,159
um all kinds of experiences but one

2152
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,760
thing um

2153
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,679
i had a little curious about that i

2154
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:43,760
haven't really been able to find much

2155
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:45,199
information on

2156
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:47,679
is i guess downloads or symbols or

2157
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:49,840
numbers so for me

2158
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,719
i do this deep trans meditations with

2159
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,480
binaural beats and i've done a lot of

2160
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:56,639
study how to do that and i do sometimes

2161
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,840
with the aid of plants medicine and

2162
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,000
sometimes i'm bombarded with ancient

2163
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,719
hieroglyphic symbols like rapidly like a

2164
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,480
lot of information

2165
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,800
a friend of mine she

2166
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:11,600
started seeing ufos i'd tell her why

2167
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:13,520
don't you politely say thank you for

2168
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,000
showing yourself and just thank you for

2169
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:18,080
being there and then she started doing

2170
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,880
that and then one day she did that and

2171
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:22,639
for an hour every time she'd close her

2172
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:25,840
eyes she'd see the numbers 403 just in

2173
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:28,000
her face whenever she closed her eyes

2174
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:29,679
and i've heard other stories about

2175
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:31,920
downloads i'm wondering if it's

2176
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,639
information said that maybe unpacks over

2177
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,639
time do you think you and then your

2178
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:38,639
colleagues maybe got downloads that led

2179
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:40,880
you in the direction to write this book

2180
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,320
just if you know anything about that

2181
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:44,159
that'd be great thanks great thank you

2182
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:45,440
paulie

2183
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,440
if you send me an email as i said before

2184
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,360
i will send you various chapters from

2185
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,760
our first book beyond ufos

2186
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:55,760
one of our chapters

2187
01:24:58,990 --> 01:24:58,000
was specifically on what you just

2188
01:25:03,510 --> 01:24:59,000
mentioned

2189
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,830
scientific information science

2190
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,040
information

2191
01:25:11,830 --> 01:25:09,760
that they had no idea how they acquired

2192
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:11,840
that information

2193
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:14,159
much of it involved individuals getting

2194
01:25:19,110 --> 01:25:15,840
these downloads

2195
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:19,120
of um of physics and mathematics

2196
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:22,639
and let me give you two examples okay

2197
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:26,719
one was a physicist's friend of mine um

2198
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:29,760
i'll just say his first name ralph okay

2199
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:33,040
uh ralph uh is in his 70s

2200
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:34,000
and

2201
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:38,800
prodigy okay

2202
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,239
we had a a group of five phd physicists

2203
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,360
in our organization at one time and

2204
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,920
everyone acknowledged that he was

2205
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:49,679
the star okay

2206
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:53,280
uh this man was beyond brilliant okay

2207
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:56,560
he told me that one time when he was 19

2208
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:58,000
years old he was camping with his

2209
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,040
girlfriend

2210
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:01,040
uh he was in a tent

2211
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,639
and his girlfriend was not in the tent

2212
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:04,880
she was outside doing something else

2213
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,080
and then all of a sudden this uh

2214
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,320
holographic tablet

2215
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,719
appear to him remember i told oh i

2216
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,400
mentioned earlier in our conversation

2217
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:16,719
that these are holographic projections

2218
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,120
that we are interacting with okay

2219
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:21,679
now mind you ralph have seen has seen

2220
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,719
ufos previous to this experience so he's

2221
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:26,480
physically seen in your vote and i

2222
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:27,920
remember the first time he saw it he

2223
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:29,120
said okay

2224
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,679
um i wish you could come back here next

2225
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:33,120
week so i could take a picture of you

2226
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:36,400
you know all of a sudden in his mind he

2227
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:37,520
was told

2228
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,080
uh come back next week

2229
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:42,560
okay seven days later at this exact same

2230
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:44,639
time bring a camera with you and we'll

2231
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:45,679
allow

2232
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:47,600
uh you to photo us

2233
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,159
okay take a photo well a week later he

2234
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,120
was there same exact time okay

2235
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,880
was able to take a picture of it and

2236
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:56,719
then while he was there he says okay if

2237
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,560
you're real if this is not an illusion i

2238
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,480
want you to go to the right and it went

2239
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,400
to the right okay now i want you to go

2240
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,400
back to your original spot you know to

2241
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,960
the left boom it went back to the left

2242
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:09,120
and so uh he already has seen ufos this

2243
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:12,400
man so anyway what appeared in his tent

2244
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:16,560
was uh like a huge apple tablet okay but

2245
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:19,280
it was holographic it was a see-through

2246
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:21,760
and what it was scrolling down was all

2247
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,560
this advanced physics

2248
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:26,560
so i asked him i said ralph i said what

2249
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:27,760
the hell

2250
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:29,760
were you able to understand it he said

2251
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:31,280
ray i was able to understand the

2252
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,920
majority of it but not all of it okay

2253
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:35,920
and i said well what was it conveying to

2254
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,800
you he says uh he says the best way to

2255
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:41,199
me to be able to explain it is um

2256
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:44,719
einstein utilized these equations by

2257
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,920
this very famous physicist uh uh i think

2258
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:49,280
his first name is stephen stephen

2259
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:51,920
maxfield they're now known as maxwell's

2260
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,040
field equations okay so they lay out the

2261
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:57,920
very foundations of modern physics

2262
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:00,080
so he said if you could imagine ray

2263
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:02,320
einstein getting maxwell's field

2264
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:04,639
equations and turning to the right

2265
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,080
this was uh einstein turning to the left

2266
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,880
it was a total radical application of

2267
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:12,480
his equations

2268
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:14,880
and so um and ralph told me that it

2269
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,520
lasted maybe you know 10 minutes or so

2270
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:19,280
and then poof it just disappeared right

2271
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:22,400
in front of him now let me fast forward

2272
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:24,880
to one of my best friends he's one of

2273
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,199
the major contact experiencers of the

2274
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:29,520
world but nobody knows about it because

2275
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,400
he's not public okay this man is retired

2276
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:34,400
dea agent

2277
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:38,239
he uh was the main person to bring down

2278
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:40,960
manuel noriega from panama because he

2279
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:44,239
was shipping in tons of cocaine and also

2280
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:46,800
baby doc duvalier from haiti

2281
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:50,000
and his uh brother-in-law who is also

2282
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:53,199
bringing in a tons of tons of coke okay

2283
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,520
so this man is the real deal i've seen

2284
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,760
all his certificates he also wrote a

2285
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,239
book uh recently titled chasing

2286
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:01,840
dictators okay

2287
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,639
um

2288
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:04,719
his wife has also experienced many of

2289
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:07,360
these experiences with him okay alberto

2290
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,800
told me that one time he was in the

2291
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:11,040
living room uh like many of us have

2292
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,040
experienced his start he's watching tv

2293
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:15,120
okay all of a sudden right in front of

2294
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:16,719
him appears

2295
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,040
again holographically

2296
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:21,840
this uh holographic tablet

2297
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:23,840
the lettering he said was red red

2298
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,400
lettering and he said that

2299
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:28,639
it was like maybe three feet in height

2300
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:29,520
tall

2301
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,520
and it was scrolling down all this

2302
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:33,920
advanced mathematics and and physics

2303
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,760
okay

2304
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,280
and then all of a sudden he called his

2305
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:38,880
wife yelling at his wife to see if she

2306
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,000
could see it so his wife is a phd

2307
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:43,920
psychologist okay

2308
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:46,960
for over 35 years and also a major

2309
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:49,600
experiencer as well like him but he's

2310
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:52,480
the big the big enchilada here his

2311
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:55,040
experiences have been unbelievable and

2312
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:58,000
so she was there and she didn't see it

2313
01:30:03,030 --> 01:29:59,679
he was the only one that was seeing it

2314
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:03,040
so then he was uh uh she was telling him

2315
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:04,960
talk to it talk to it ask it questions

2316
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,280
ask good questions and and he was asking

2317
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,040
questions you know telepathically even

2318
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:11,600
verbally it wouldn't respond and so

2319
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,520
these things would continue to scroll

2320
01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:15,199
down and appear in front of him

2321
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,600
and so i said well what happened alberto

2322
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:19,520
and he said well after half an hour i

2323
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:21,360
just walked away i said what are you

2324
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:24,159
kidding me you just left it he says ray

2325
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:26,719
i don't know anything about physics or

2326
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:29,600
mathematics you know and this is boring

2327
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:30,639
you know i'm not going to stay around

2328
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:32,239
here i got things to do it's saturday

2329
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:35,679
afternoon you know i got things to do

2330
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:39,440
and he left so here we have um

2331
01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:42,480
a separation of more than 20 years by

2332
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:44,480
these two different individuals telling

2333
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,120
us the very same exact experience okay

2334
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,600
and so in our book we describe people

2335
01:30:57,510 --> 01:30:53,840
that were getting you know mathematics

2336
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:57,520
downloads science downloads uh

2337
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:00,960
new contraptions you know new uh um

2338
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:03,360
free energy you know downloads and how

2339
01:31:09,189 --> 01:31:06,320
to build this how to build that and um

2340
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,199
and and um and it was written

2341
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:11,840
by dr john clemo one of our professors

2342
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,239
with this woman susan meno manowicz who

2343
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:16,639
has a master's in science

2344
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:18,719
and what they did is they they took many

2345
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:21,360
of the case studies in our book and they

2346
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:23,520
wrote it out as a chapter

2347
01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:27,280
uh so if you send me an email to info

2348
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:30,320
at a greaterreality.com

2349
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,159
and mention that specific chapter

2350
01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:38,239
i will send it to you for free together

2351
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:40,080
with the other chapters

2352
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:42,480
that i normally send out for free on our

2353
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:44,480
book including the chapter on medical

2354
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:47,840
healings and chapters uh one which is an

2355
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:51,360
analysis of the quantitative statistical

2356
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:53,760
data and chapter two which is an

2357
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:56,719
analysis of the qualitative statistical

2358
01:32:02,070 --> 01:31:58,800
data as i said before there's more than

2359
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:02,080
450 pages uh from our book and i'll send

2360
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:05,199
it to you for free so it's info at a

2361
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:12,709
any other questions right yeah uh

2362
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:14,800
there's one more question and uh we'll

2363
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:17,600
make that the last one um i just wanted

2364
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:19,199
to see because i'm looking at the

2365
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:20,639
description so

2366
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,880
is it that as of april 1st that you're

2367
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:24,560
going to have info at greater

2368
01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:26,960
reality.org

2369
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:29,120
correct our website

2370
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:32,080
is uh well that's my email info

2371
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:38,229
okay okay and um uh

2372
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:40,719
yeah that's our um

2373
01:32:47,790 --> 01:32:44,239
um um my email now in terms of our

2374
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:47,800
website the website is going to be a

2375
01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:49,600
greaterreality.com

2376
01:32:56,470 --> 01:32:54,880
so that will be opened as of april first

2377
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:56,480
good deal well just also letting you

2378
01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:58,719
know the email you sent me bothset.org

2379
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:00,320
so if you're copying that email to

2380
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:02,080
someone else please make that correction

2381
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:03,760
so i will make this i will make the

2382
01:33:08,229 --> 01:33:05,600
changes and descriptions so everyone has

2383
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:08,239
the accurate uh links for you then

2384
01:33:11,910 --> 01:33:10,080
fantastic thank you all right

2385
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:11,920
no problem all right well so the the

2386
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:14,400
final question is from edgar and he's

2387
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:16,239
asking uh thank you all

2388
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:17,920
thank you all you're doing

2389
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:18,639
you

2390
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:24,880
for what we're both doing

2391
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:27,840
um your thoughts on uh any human being

2392
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:30,719
who call who can call

2393
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:33,199
who can allow a star being to speak

2394
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:35,199
through them using this specific star

2395
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:36,960
language

2396
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,880
does that make sense

2397
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,239
um

2398
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:42,400
well i heard i wonder if he's talking

2399
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:45,360
about channeling channeling yeah

2400
01:33:51,030 --> 01:33:47,679
channeling i guess is the more common

2401
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:51,040
usage for that and i am kind of um

2402
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:53,840
apprehensive on channeling okay

2403
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:55,440
uh because

2404
01:34:01,830 --> 01:33:58,800
i've met a lot of people uh

2405
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,840
who you know say that they do channeling

2406
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:03,440
and um

2407
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:06,560
and uh a lot of not accurate information

2408
01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:08,080
is being conveyed

2409
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,159
because i would ask and think particular

2410
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:12,080
about me and my family and other people

2411
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:14,159
and they would just be totally wrong

2412
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:16,800
um just like people that can do readings

2413
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,440
you know um i guess the most common

2414
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:21,760
stereotypical is you go to this lady

2415
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:24,480
with this uh this glass ball and they

2416
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,400
give you readings about yourself and

2417
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:28,560
your family and your future and you know

2418
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:31,040
um so uh but yet

2419
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:33,600
i've met uh some people

2420
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:36,960
that are excellent channelers and people

2421
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:39,520
that receive excellent information when

2422
01:34:43,109 --> 01:34:40,880
they read

2423
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:43,119
one is this lady who i consider one of

2424
01:34:47,830 --> 01:34:46,480
the top three experiencers in the world

2425
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:47,840
she's written a chapter about her

2426
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:51,440
experiences her name is ruth and friend

2427
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:53,199
ruth and friend

2428
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:55,360
and so we were in

2429
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:57,280
illinois where she lives

2430
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:58,159
and

2431
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:00,480
this is the second day this is an an

2432
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:03,360
elderly lady in her 80s and so she was

2433
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:06,000
very very tired it was 10 30 at night i

2434
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:08,719
said oh my god ruth and i forgot um

2435
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:10,960
um that you were supposed to give us a

2436
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:13,360
reading you know a psychic reading she

2437
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:15,040
goes oh ray i usually do this in the

2438
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:17,040
morning when i'm you know refreshed i

2439
01:35:19,990 --> 01:35:18,480
have more energy

2440
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,000
and um

2441
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:22,480
and so um um

2442
01:35:25,030 --> 01:35:23,280
uh

2443
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:25,040
i said well just five minutes ruth i

2444
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:27,040
just want to be able to get it on tape

2445
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:30,320
you know for our documentary and so um

2446
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:32,080
and she said okay who's the person that

2447
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:33,840
you want me to read so i didn't give it

2448
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:36,320
one person i gave it three people okay

2449
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:39,679
uh my wife my daughter and my father and

2450
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:42,719
she told me intimate details

2451
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:45,040
of these individuals that no one would

2452
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:46,800
ever know about for example she knew

2453
01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:49,040
that my wife had a brain aneurysm

2454
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:51,199
and that that surgery that they did on

2455
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:53,600
her she said don't even think about it

2456
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:55,440
you know she's completely healed you

2457
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:57,280
know and i was like how did this woman

2458
01:36:01,590 --> 01:35:59,440
knew that right and so then in terms of

2459
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,600
my daughter she said that my daughter

2460
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,600
was going to be studying science you

2461
01:36:07,270 --> 01:36:05,280
know all of her life like science

2462
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:07,280
science science and she stops and she

2463
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:08,960
goes like this because she listens to

2464
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:11,600
her uh her deceased son

2465
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:12,400
okay

2466
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:14,159
and so then what's that more science

2467
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:16,080
more my god right your daughter's gonna

2468
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:18,000
be studying science all her life

2469
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:20,239
and then she she stops and she starts

2470
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:22,080
laughing she says your daughter's gonna

2471
01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:23,280
be a healer

2472
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:24,880
she's going to be a medical doctor

2473
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:26,560
that's exactly what's what my daughter

2474
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:27,840
wants to do she wants to be a medical

2475
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:30,880
doctor and she got a full academic

2476
01:36:37,109 --> 01:36:34,320
scholarship to study science at a major

2477
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:37,119
extremely well known university okay

2478
01:36:42,070 --> 01:36:40,000
and um and then in terms of my father my

2479
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,080
father worked in a factory for over 35

2480
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:44,800
years okay and then um

2481
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:48,320
uh his hobby his loan hobby was raising

2482
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:49,600
canaries

2483
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:52,880
uh our uh our house was filled with

2484
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:55,360
close to 100 canaries always my mother

2485
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:56,800
was fighting with him because my mother

2486
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:58,960
was a very very clean woman you know

2487
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:01,199
wanted everything meticulously clean and

2488
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:02,880
they were like bird feathers all over

2489
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:04,880
the place and but but that was my

2490
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:06,800
father's hobby you know he worked 12

2491
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:10,639
hours a day six uh uh six days a week in

2492
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:13,119
a factory in an embroidery factory so

2493
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:15,280
when he would come home he'd be totally

2494
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,920
exhausted and and um

2495
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,280
uh so

2496
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:21,520
raising canaries was his hobby and the

2497
01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:23,600
whole living room had all these trophies

2498
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:24,800
from all the

2499
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:27,600
awards and competitions on his canaries

2500
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:28,480
so

2501
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:30,159
this woman is uh

2502
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:32,159
doing a reading on my father she goes oh

2503
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:34,400
she's very uh he's very uh uh proud of

2504
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,040
you so okay that's normal stuff oh you

2505
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:38,960
worry too much about him okay okay

2506
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:40,239
that's normal stuff you would tell

2507
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:42,800
anybody she goes ray and she's listening

2508
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:46,400
to her son right and she says uh my son

2509
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:48,880
conveyed to me a video of a man opening

2510
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,440
up a small bird cage and a little bird

2511
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:53,760
is flying around the living room she

2512
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:55,440
said what did they give that to me why

2513
01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:57,520
did he give me that information

2514
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:00,159
and i said oh my god ruth anne you know

2515
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:02,960
that was my father's passion you know

2516
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:06,000
um he used to raise canaries you know

2517
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:07,679
that was the only thing he really cared

2518
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:10,639
about you know and uh besides his family

2519
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,560
and and and so that to me was like proof

2520
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:16,480
you know with these three readings of my

2521
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:19,520
wife with her and uh um aneurysm with my

2522
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:22,159
daughter with the medical school and and

2523
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:24,800
science and my father with uh opening up

2524
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,400
a little bird cage a little bird comes

2525
01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:28,960
out uh proof that this lady was very

2526
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:30,639
very real

2527
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,239
and so

2528
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,480
what is commonly called psychic reading

2529
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:36,320
you know i don't dismiss it anymore

2530
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:38,880
because this woman was able to you know

2531
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:41,360
prove it right to me directly

2532
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:43,679
and so channeling is like a form of

2533
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,119
psychic reading

2534
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:46,880
except you're getting information from

2535
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:49,440
another location

2536
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,639
whether you might want to call it the

2537
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:52,800
spirit world or what have you okay it's

2538
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:54,719
the same process

2539
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:56,320
that edgar mitchell discusses about in

2540
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:59,119
terms of non-local consciousness

2541
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:01,199
so i know the phenomenon is very real

2542
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:02,960
but there's a lot of charlatans out

2543
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:05,520
there there's a lot of wannabes

2544
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:08,239
which tend to discredit

2545
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,679
the the field

2546
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:11,040
and

2547
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:14,719
but it's very real

2548
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:15,760
great well

2549
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,119
ray thank you very much for that i

2550
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,360
appreciate it uh and also thanks to

2551
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:21,040
everyone else that participated in

2552
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:22,880
asking questions i hope you got your

2553
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,679
answers uh ray in conclusion i just want

2554
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:27,280
to leave you with the last word before

2555
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:29,280
we finish up

2556
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:31,440
well i will give uh

2557
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:33,360
anyone that sends me an email

2558
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:36,320
um roughly half of our book our first

2559
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:39,040
book beyond ufos and i will also send

2560
01:39:44,310 --> 01:39:41,119
you seven chapters

2561
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:44,320
from our new book a greater reality okay

2562
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:47,199
uh or eight chapters uh roughly four of

2563
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:49,440
them are theoretical and four of them

2564
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,400
are from experiencers so that will give

2565
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:55,280
you a good sense of what the book is all

2566
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:57,679
about and

2567
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:58,480
and

2568
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:01,199
you can see just uh how important our

2569
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:02,480
book is because we're going to be

2570
01:40:08,229 --> 01:40:05,199
introducing a new paradigm of how

2571
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:08,239
individuals can view the relationship

2572
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:11,920
between consciousness and what i coined

2573
01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:15,360
the contact modalities

2574
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:16,800
so once again

2575
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:19,920
the email is info

2576
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:21,119
at

2577
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:30,550
all right yeah we'll definitely make

2578
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:32,400
those corrections in the description of

2579
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,400
course all of that is in description

2580
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:36,960
below both the websites as soon as we're

2581
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:39,440
done i will make that correction and

2582
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,639
all of you out there will have that

2583
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:42,719
information but i'm certainly hoping

2584
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:45,280
that you will join us and uh get to meet

2585
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:48,480
ray and you see me there myself as well

2586
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:50,719
at the at the conference and it's

2587
01:40:54,629 --> 01:40:53,119
usually a very fun event i think um the

2588
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:54,639
very first time i met you ray was in

2589
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:56,239
2019

2590
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,480
um at that conference and i'm glad

2591
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,159
you're back again

2592
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:02,480
well that i've been invited to speak at

2593
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:03,360
about

2594
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:04,560
six different

2595
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:07,440
conferences all of them ufo related and

2596
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:09,920
that conference by far was the best

2597
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:11,840
organized conference

2598
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:14,960
and i met so many major major

2599
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:17,199
experiencers at that conference

2600
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:21,280
and i really uh and i'm also uh i didn't

2601
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:24,159
mention this before but i deeply admire

2602
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:26,639
the work of dolores cannon because she

2603
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:28,960
clearly understood what was

2604
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,719
consciousness and the nature of our

2605
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:33,360
reality and via but she approached it

2606
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:36,320
from a from a metaphysical perspective

2607
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,159
through the experiencers

2608
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:40,560
but uh uh so she really

2609
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:43,520
had uh uh the visions the keys to be

2610
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,639
able to understand our reality and so i

2611
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:48,960
look forward uh to appearing at the

2612
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:51,760
conference meeting her daughter uh as

2613
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:54,080
well and to meeting you as well and then

2614
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:54,880
so

2615
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,719
thank you very much

2616
01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:59,119
well good great uh ray thank you again

2617
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,920
uh so in the description as well there's

2618
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:03,440
going to be the link where you'll be

2619
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,239
able to purchase your tickets uh for the

2620
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:08,400
upcoming conference if for some reason

2621
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:09,760
you cannot make it of course there's

2622
01:42:15,310 --> 01:42:12,560
streaming available and again all the

2623
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:15,320
corrections for the info at a greater

2624
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,239
reality.com will be made below and also

2625
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:20,239
i've included an amazon link that right

2626
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:21,920
now only has the

2627
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:24,639
um beyond ufos uh book as well if you're

2628
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:26,880
interested in purchasing it you know or

2629
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,960
you take up race offer and have him send

2630
01:42:34,229 --> 01:42:31,360
you a few chapters uh if you email them

2631
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,239
so again ray thank you very much uh

2632
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:36,400
everyone else watching thank you as well

2633
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:40,080
and um yeah we'll do this again sometime